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Old 08-30-2007, 09:11 PM
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yeah i'll check the LS setting again. i thought i had to pretty dialed and turned that screw in quite bit from factory and just when throttle-up it would start to hesitate i'd back it (LS Needle) off a bit.

i'll check again!

thanks for the info guys. i'm pulling an air tractor 72", 3000ft elevation, 20% humidity, 15% CoolPower 4 stroke WITH castor!


Old 08-30-2007, 09:21 PM
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jb86:

I set the engine from the drive washer to the firewall just as the instructions said. I had to shim it out 1/2" in order to make it work. It is a J-3 GP and the engine
is a Saito 56. From memory (and that can be bad) I think it was 5 1/8 or 5 1/4 inches. I know it measured just what was called for. The cowl is pressed tightly onto the
nose, so I can't push it any further back.

I have decided to find or use a 1/4" pc. of laminated plywood with some 80 - 120 grit sandpaper glued to each side for holding power. I think the wt. of
the shim will be negligable.

Thanks for all responses. This is a great forum.
I'd check my measurements again, if it were my plane. It would be easier to remount the engine than it would be to take that shim out and remount the cowl.

Moving your engine forward or aft even a little bit will make quite a difference in the CG. The weight of the shim itself won't make much difference, but the leverage of the engine being too far out or too far in will matter.

Double check the measurement from the firewall to the drive washer, just to be sure. It doesn't make sense that GP's instructions would be that far off.
Old 08-30-2007, 09:36 PM
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Im a member too!! I have a FA 65 in a ultrastrick 40 and I have a new in the box 72 that is currently being married to a new WM Rambler 45. Just finished the tail and pushrods today. What prop should I use to break in my 72. It will be ready to break-in day after tommorow
Old 08-30-2007, 09:41 PM
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A 12-7 or 13-6 will be fine.
Old 08-30-2007, 09:49 PM
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HI all, I have a 125 saito. I have run over a gallon of fuel through it. Im getting aroung 8000+ rpms on the ground but cant seem to get full rpms wile flying in the air. I have leaned out the high and low speed needles with a rpm guage, but still have alot more smoke than my 82 saito that over 4 gallons through it. The problem is nothing happenings with the last 1/3 of the throttle. Im thinking its to rich, but not sure. What might i be doing wrong?
Old 08-30-2007, 10:04 PM
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What propeller are you using.

You may have come across a false peak in the mixture curve?
Old 08-30-2007, 11:01 PM
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HELLO to all.....
I have read many a post off this Forum from you guys.... and I guess
its about time that I join ,,,, well since I have many Saito's
62a
80
(2) 100's
125a GK
150 GK
180 GK I have rebuilt the 80 with all the info I have pulled from
this forum..
THANKS> GUYS.
Old 08-31-2007, 03:40 AM
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i got me a new bird in the hanger laser 200 seagull models powered by a satio 150 [img][/img] now i have 2 saito's im hopeing to fly it today i fired it up and the old thumbs were twitching as the flex tub pipe was bubbling the rich note of brakeing it in i dont think ill ever be able to run a 2 cycle any more well maby i can pull my self to fly the old 2 cycle seeing how i like my tribute 36 i dont think i could squeez in a 4 stroke in it gosh if i could i would
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:21 AM
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has any one tryed a LP17040W 17x4W on a satio 125 or the LP16550W 16.5x5W i have a 15x6 and a 15x8 and a 17x6 all apc but none are the W the 17x6 dose not spool up like the 15x6 but it idles so much better and being that it is on the twist 60 it has no problem pulling it around at any angle the lhs didnt have a 16 of any size sold out if you look at pic above you can see that prop strick is not going to happen with 17x6 seeing how i got 5 inch wheels on it
Old 08-31-2007, 09:28 AM
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TeamMuir1- You are member #543
Old 08-31-2007, 10:13 AM
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HI all, I have a 125 saito. I have run over a gallon of fuel through it. Im getting aroung 8000+ rpms on the ground but cant seem to get full rpms wile flying in the air. I have leaned out the high and low speed needles with a rpm guage, but still have alot more smoke than my 82 saito that over 4 gallons through it. The problem is nothing happenings with the last 1/3 of the throttle. Im thinking its to rich, but not sure. What might i be doing wrong?
My Saito 125 suddenly became a lot more powerful after I had about 2 gallons through it. Its almost like a magical transformation. Its now turning an APC 16x6 at 9200 rpm with the HS needle about 2 1/2 turns out. This is with Coldpower MV for 4 strokes ( 15% nitro, 18% synthetic ). My elevation is about 300ft.

I also noticed that when flying I get almost all the power at 3/4 throttle. I don't seem to notice any improvement above that. I can hover my almost 8 lb plane at just 1/3 throttle, so its no big deal.
Old 08-31-2007, 02:26 PM
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I'm late to this thread, but I have:

(1) 30GK, (1) 40, (2) 56GK's, (1) 72, (1) 91sGK, (2) 100's, (1) 150GK.

Really like them all.
Old 08-31-2007, 05:28 PM
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Im worried about the vibration from my 220 GK on my UCANDO I've balanced prop w/spinner is this common of these?? my 100's barely shake at all. does anyone have any advice???? I thought about an iso-mount?
Old 08-31-2007, 08:24 PM
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may i join the club i only have 2 saito's in the hanger . if i can find one that has the same mouting as the evolution 36 i will kick it to the for sell box
Old 08-31-2007, 09:06 PM
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:48 AM
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Hey guys I'm learning a lot reading this, thanks. Keep it up. I thought a little cool looking smoke trail was a good thing meaning it was not too lean. As long as it doesn't cut off on you. Or does that mean you are just not running as efficiently as you could. Been flying Saitos for a couple years now and loving them. Got a 72 on a Super Sportster, and on an Astro Hog and a 56 on a 81" cub that flies great even off water. Hope to have another Hog Bipe (lost mine) and an Ercoupe flying by next year on them. Oh, and how do you know when it's time to adjust the values? My Cub 56 is kicking pretty bad now and seems to have lost some compression, maybe not, but still runs great when I get it started. Guess I just need to check/adjust it. Oh, and one more question I think on the Saito site that regular after run oil was not good for Saitos has anyone heard that or had any experience with it. Some said use I think m. mystery oil or something. Thanks for any responses.
Old 09-01-2007, 09:04 AM
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What are the requirements for being part of the club? My hanger has the following Saitos: 72, 100 twin, 120, 150, 170r3(2) and a 180.
Old 09-01-2007, 10:18 AM
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chasrb- nice collection. You are member #545
Old 09-01-2007, 10:35 AM
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Hello everyone:

Seems like a good place to ask this. I am mounting my new Saito 72 in my WM Rambler 45. Plane has a cowl that covers the engine. If it was your plane would you mount the engine inverted or sideways? I have never mounted one inverted and only have 1 saito that I mounted sideways in my ultrastick. Should I cut a slot in the cowl for the muffler or a hole for the muffler pipe? If I only cut a hole then the muffler would have to be screwed in after the cowl was on and that doesnt seem right. What is the advantages of a inverted engine ? I guess it would have smaller holes in the cowl where the rockerarm valve covers come out.

Everything else is done on the plane and built perfect for a arf.

Please help.....thanks

Jay
Old 09-01-2007, 11:05 AM
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vancouverman,

All but one of my Saitos are mounted inverted. The advantage of inverted from my experience is not having to cut the side of the cowl for the rocker covers. If you have plenty of clearance this is not an issue. As for the muffler, I try to bring the exhaust out the bottom where the cooling air exits. The primary objective is to keep things at the bottom of the cowl to be less visible. I like preserving the looks of the cowl as much as possible.

Jim
Old 09-01-2007, 11:13 AM
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If the fuel tank isn't too high, I would mount it inverted. I have a 65 that was inverted, ran super sweet. My 82 is fairly new and runs/idles/starts real good inverted. I didn't have quite as good luck with my 45 inverted. May having been too new or my lack of tuning ability way back then.

Personally, I would drill a hole for the exhaust if the lock nut is accessable.
Old 09-01-2007, 07:10 PM
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Ok another question.

What is used to extend the high speed needle to outside the cowl so adjustments can be made? Where do I get one?

Thanks
Jay
Old 09-01-2007, 07:20 PM
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I use an old 2-56 size push rod cut to length with a bend on the end.

But you can use a piece of music wire.
Old 09-01-2007, 07:46 PM
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to all
is the saito 220 a good one? i have a sig extra 300 that could use some power.
Old 09-01-2007, 07:53 PM
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Hi, I'm having a problem mounting my exhaust for my SAITO 125GK. I've tried to use SAITO's flex pipe and two times it just cracked?? The second time on one tank of fuel? I would welcome any suggestions. thanks. I'm mounting the muffler under the middle of the belly and the engine inverted in SIG's new WACO.


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